This began as a comment on my Soft Thinking post, but it quickly became large enough to be a post of its own. Small-tee tim thought perhaps that (The Other) Andy hadn't quite gotten the point when 9/11 happened, because (The Other) Andy stated that he personally didn't care whether the mosque is built or not. It was not a position on whether we had a social, cultural, or global responsibility to allow or deny it, but an expression of how he thought about it when he rolled out of bed in the morning. Probably sounded like this: "Is there coffee, sweetheart?"
We tend to think that everybody does what we do. We expect everybody to have roughly similar operating parameters when it comes to opinions. Mosque at Ground Zero? You are either for it or against it, no ambivalence allowed. If you are ambivalent, you must have missed the point, or perhaps are just plain being intellectually lazy. We'll assume you are ignorant of the issues, and some part of us will probably have you tending a still in the Arkansas backwoods. This is because in modern times we are trained by our saturation in the internet to get a sense that everybody everywhere is debating the same things that we are. A guy in Chicago writes a piece about a mosque, and 100 commenters from 80 different cities in 10 different countries log in to contribute. And this happens on thousands of websites every day, so it must be that everybody on Earth - or at least in the civilized world - is involved. And if you come across someone who says "A what at where? Who cares?" Then he must be an anomaly. Slack-jawed, to boot.
However, there is an enormous number of people who do not subject themselves to the roiling and contentious political blogosphere like we do every day - because they don't like it. I am on the fence, as you can tell if you read much of my blog. I fully admit that I find myself drawn to it, but I like myself less as a person, Husband, and Father when I get involved. And there are people who don't get involved. Who never turn on the cable news channels. People who don't go to rallies or protests. They tend to have a bit more fun with it even when they do. The world is a very, very different place for them, and much, much more pleasant. You think that they are in danger because they are not paying attention, and they think you are in danger because you have forgotten how to be happy without someone else's failing being the source of it. Like it or not, we are angry people. Just look at the things we read and the mean little comments we leave everywhere we go. It's a little scary. Check your list of daily reads and see how many go a day without commanding the widespread derision of someone, denigrating someone, dismantling someone's beliefs or opinions about something, or taking pleasure in someone "getting his comeuppance." Right now, I am leaving a comment on a piece that I wrote about why an entire religion should be condemned. No matter what Islam has done, that is just plain nasty of me, and unmistakably wrong. Morally wrong. Ethically wrong. It cannot be painted any other way. And yet this sort of thing is the most abundant example of our cultural impetus in the 21st century.
For many people, there is a genuine ambivalence to this sort of thing, because for folks who do not dedicate themselves to endless debates, who are not alternately enraged by disagreement and enraptured by like-mindedness, this is a very simple issue. It boils down to a simple question: "What is wrong with you people?" Muslims, non-Muslims, mosque supporters and mosque detractors. This should not matter.
Of course, Islam makes it matter, because it has proven that it has no respect for us. That it wants us dead. The tired "Not all Muslims are terorrists" line is bland, empty, and immature, because every human on planet Earth is aware of that. However, there are huge numbers of Muslims who wish that all Muslims were terrorists, and truly believe that they should be. That it is their duty to kill infidels. That's why it is a problem. You just don't get that with any other faith.
Does this mean that I or anyone else has any kind of imperative or responsibility to have a voice about it? You are taking a mighty almighty position if you are willing to decree that I do. Does it mean that it is wrong of a happy family man in Louisiana to personally not care if it gets built or not? You are making some haughty assumptions about mankind's affinity for your personal machinations if you think it is. I am sure every man has some beliefs that he would use to to weigh in on this and other issues, but there is nothing saying he has to, or that he is wrong for abstaining. Truly, it is a monumental failing for a man to abandon his beliefs, but is an equal failing for him to ride them unbridled through every unlocked door.
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To partake in these sorts of discussions, form opinions about them, express them, is the essence of moderation.
To abstain from them, on the grounds that one does not like them, has found them to be too heated, is an exercise in excess, protectionism...a sort of gluttony.
We've got an awful lot of people walking around who seem to think the first mindset is what causes problems and the second one is what (somehow) fixes 'em. These people are just plain wrong. See Election of B. Obama, 2008.
On the Park51 issue, I divided the viewpoints into red light, yellow light and green light people (don't build it, let's talk about what the motivations are for building it, and let them build it). Like you, if I'm reading you right, I perceive that we have a lot of yellow-light people like my fine self who are being made to look like red-light people so they/we can be made to look rabid and unreasonable. And, we've got an awful lot of green-light people who are giving a green light because they want to look cool and rational, but when you discuss the issue with them for any duration the talking point quickly emerges: "Anyone who disagrees with me is hateful, crazy and stupid" or some variation of that.
That is a good definition, IMO, of unreasonable. "'Shut Up,' He Explained."
I dunno about you, Andy, but I get sick to frickin' DEATH of the echo chamber. There really isn't much original thought at most purely political blogs... it's last week's, last year's, last decade's rhetoric recycled to fit today's issue. And the thing that pisses me off the MOST is the "the right is eeevil" and "the left is stoopid" bullshit. If that's all you have to say... or if that's your principal point... then I ain't gonna read you. I get more satisfaction/pleasure/meaningful content out of funny cat videos.
It's a costant in human nature and I plead guilty.
At the same time I'm mindful of this quote from an ancient warhorse of an 18th century novel, Tristram Shandy, which has A LOT to say about human obsessiveness.
"So long as a man rides his hobbyhorse peaceably and quietly along the King's highway, and neither compels you or me to get up behind him — pray, Sir, what have either you or I to do with it?"
Thoughtful and thought-provoking post, thank you.
There are always some, a minority, who are drawn to political philosophy and intellectual tension. The majority are not distracted by this sort of thing and lead their lives of ostensibly greater happiness without a second thought. I'm not convinced that such a choice or tendency equates to happiness, but I get the point.
So far so good. What is interesting is observing, through current and past history, how that "unmoved" majority will react to a changed situation. All of a sudden their net taxes have doubled. They see people in Islamic dress when before they saw none. Perhaps they notice that authority and regulation loom larger than seemed the case yesterday. Some of these people will snap out of it (or into it) and start thinking about things that were only faint nagging sensations before, especially as they grow older.
Still there is a majority that chooses to be blissfully unfazed by signs of momentous change and remains content within normal social functions. Granted, such change only occurs every so many generations. Like right about now maybe. By and large they will be the de facto followers of the current regime.
Without some quantity of critics and thinkers we have a ship with only default leadership. Some viable contribution from the dissenting citizenry is and always has been essential to keep the system healthy.
It is not a matter of "condemning" a religion, although I'll wager that you would have no problem condemning, say, Nazism or Klanism in their entire. Why exactly should Islam be exempted since, as you point out, we are still awaiting "moderate" Muslims to act effectively against violent extremists?
At any rate, it's not "morally wrong" to tell the truth about what Islam is about these days. As I posted in 2002, "Islam is what Muslims do," a theme echoed later by Duke Univ.'s Professor Bala Ambati.
But the fact is that Islam is inherently militaristic, triumphalist and imperialistic.
Islam is formally supremacist and acknowledges no equals, only inferiors. Abdul-Rauf, general manager of the Park41 project, is not in the slightest concerned about the feelings of Americans, of whom about 70 percent oppose this project. What he is concerned about is victory.
War, wrote Clausewitz, is politics continued by violent means. Park51, with its "Cordoba House" mosque included, is the reverse: the continuation of jihad by peaceful means.
How is it "morally wrong" to identify the confluence of violent bin-Ladenism with non-violent Raufism? Bin Laden and Abdul-Rauf share almost precisely the same goals, they differ only in means.
Thanks for the link, Gerard. If only I could get this kind of attention when I write well, instead of just when I bitch and moan articulately. More human nature, I suppose.
Heh! This is now the second time in my 50 years of blogging that a comment of mine has become the subject of a post.
Sure, it ain't as great as the thrill of "my first time," but it is thrilling nonetheless.
So, I feel obliged to at least acknowledge, and comment.
I will re-comment what I wrote as a comment on the original post.
"Tim, with all due respect, I didn't need 9-11 to teach me about Islam. I concluded at about age 30 that Islam would be our foe until my death, and beyond.
That was roughly 1989.
It is Satanic, evil, and a threat to every human on this planet.
But, I still don't care if they build their little church house or not. If they do not build it, it will not change who/what they are, and what their demonic selves intend. If they do build it, it will not change who/what they are, and what their demonic selves intend.
So, "YES! SERIOUSLY!"
Just sayin'..."
That is my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
Let me add that there is already a Satanic Mosque just a few blocks from where the proposed site is that has been there for almost forever. It's right here if you want to look at it.
And, that this is in many ways a distraction...sucking up valuable oxygen from things that we can focus on that might actually somehow change.
The Muslims ain't gonna change no matter whether they get a W, or an L on this stupid Mosque issue.
So, I don't care.
Just sayin'...
Let me extend my remarks.
Seattle Andy, I fully understand the thrust of your post. I hope I was not in any way dismissive of it.
As always it was well stated, and completely understood (even by a hayseed such as myself).
I guess what I should have said was that when taking a position on something, we most all tend to believe that there are only two options.
1) For it.
2) Against it.
But, I honestly believe that there is a #3.
3) I don't care. "I don't care" is a really valid position, if you really don't care.
And, I don't care, because even if I pick #1, or #2 (and eventually my horse wins) it makes no difference whatsoever in the root cause of the problem.
I am certain that that is as clear as mud. Don't bother to thank me.
I understand, (The Other) Andy. Much of what I am saying is that many people out there seem to think that your #3 option is simply illegitimate, and you aren't allowed to have it. There's arguing for or against something, which gets done exhaustively and to no effect, and there is simply no other state of existence possible. Or valid, anyway.
All our liberties, as well as our liberty to be oblivious, did not exist anywhere on earth in this degree until the creation of a new land--with unusual institutions, formed by peculiar men--made it so. Liberty is not natural, but unnatural. Our failure to understand this will teach us again what is natural. Toot suite. Islam is natural, as are it's even more relentless partners, the socialist.
Liberty is not relentless, but it's demands are, and they are not negotiable. Moderation is a virtue if you are drinking and driving with the bosses wife. More often, it is an excuse not to defend a position, or have one.
People who opt out of politics--completely--sometimes are both honest and wise. Sometimes.
Great post. I linked it.
http://washingtonrebel.typepad.com/washington_rebel/2010/08/ciceronian-reflections.html
In virtually any national debate, even in great wars, most people stay out of it. I was born in occupied Holland during WW2. Before the German invasion, most Dutch were concerned but uninvolved. My brother in law was in the army; when the army surrendered he went home. When food got scarce my parent loaded their family onto bikes and a cart and moved to live with relatives in the country. Even Germans, despite the horrible losses, lived their lives and did their jobs. It was the end of the war and the Russian invasion and occupation that brought the greatest suffering.
I relate this because most people in most countries just try to get along; to live their lives in any way they can. They are like clay, molded by those who take political issues seriously.
The question is, do you want to be the potter or the clay? Make no mistake; you will be one or the other.
So, Andy, is it safe to say you’re not ambivalent about me taking issue with (the other) Andy’s ambivalence?
Ironic.
Apparently we must tolerate the intolerant. That is where the imbalance lies.
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